On the Record: Critiquing McCrory's State of the State address

Becki Gray of the John Locke Foundation and Chris Fitzsimon of NC Policy Watch join WRAL's David Crabtree and Laura Leslie to discuss Gov. Pat McCrory's first State of the State address.
Posted 2/24/2013, 12:50:00 AM Updated 9/23/2025, 7:49:31 PM

STATE?

WELL, IT JUST MAY DEPEND ON WHO

YOU ASK.

TONIGHT, WE'RE ON THE RECORD

WITH TWO VERY DIFFERENT

ANSWERS.

>> IT'S TIME TO GO ON THE

RECORD WITH WRAL NEWS.

>> GOOD EVENING.

EARLIER THIS WEEK, GOVERNOR PAT

McCRORY ADDRESSED THE STATEWIDE

TELEVISION AUDIENCE WITH HIS

FIRST STATE OF THE STATE

ADDRESS.

FOR 45 MINUTES, HE DISCUSSED

THE STATE'S PROBLEMS AND HIS

VISIONS FOR SOLUTIONS.

SOME OF THE PROBLEMS CAN BE

CORRECTED MORE EASILY THAN

OTHERS.

THAT'S OBVIOUS, AND SOME

LAWMAKERS DON'T VIEW SOME OF

THE ISSUES AS PROBLEMS.

TONIGHT, TWO PEOPLE WHOSE JOB

IT IS TO WATCH WHAT HAPPENS IN

THE EXECUTIVE LEGISLATIVE AND

JUDICIAL BRANCHES OF STATE

GOVERNMENT.

FROM THE LEFT-LEANING GROUP, NC

POLICY WATCH, AND RIGHT

LEANING, BECKY GRAY.

SOMEONE WHO COVERED THE STATE

OF THE STATE, LAURA LESLIE.

MY THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR

BEING HERE, BUT BEFORE WE BEGIN

THE DISCUSSION, LET'S GO BACK

TO THE SPEECH WITH THIS REPORT

FROM LAURA.

>> Reporter: A LOT OF THE BIG

PICTURE PRIORITIES McCRORY LAID

OUT WERE FROM HIS CAMPAIGN,

PROMOTING FRACKING AND DRILLING

AND OVERHAULING THE STATE'S TAX

SYSTEM TO HELP ATTRACT

BUSINESS.

>> WE CANNOT ACCEPT THE STATUS

QUO.

WE CANNOT LIVE OFF OF A BRAND

THAT NEEDS UPDATING AND MAJOR

REVAMPING TO NOT ONLY COMPETE

WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, BUT COMPETE

WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD.

>> Reporter: HE DIDN'T SAY MUCH

ABOUT HOW HE WOULD PAY FOR HIS

NEW INITIATIVE.

NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET WON'T

INCLUDE MUCH, IF ANY, MONEY.

>> WE WANT TO REWARD OUR

TALENTED STATE EMPLOYEES, BUT

SEAT WARMERS MUST BE A THING OF

THE PAST [ APPLAUSE ]

>> Reporter: McCRORY DID MAKE A

FEW SPECIFIC REQUESTS.

HE WANTS LAWMAKERS TO RESURRECT

THE DRUG AND CUT BACK ON THE

LOTTERY'S ADVERTISING BUDGET

AND ALLOW SCHOOLS TO USE

LOTTERY MONEY FOR CLASSROOM

TECHNOLOGY.

>> THERE'S A POT OF MONEY ONLY

USED ON CERTAIN THINGS.

WHY NOT LET OVER 100 DISTRICTS

USE IT ON TECHNOLOGY AND

VIRTUAL LEARNING?

THIS IS THE FUTURE.

WE DON'T WE BE AHEAD OF THE

CURVE AS OPPOSED TO BEHIND THE

CURVE?

>> Reporter: THE GOVERNOR

CLOSED BY ASKING LAWMAKERS OF

BOTH PARTIES TO WORK WITH HIM

TO CHANGE THE STATE FOR THE

BETTER.

>> NONE OF THIS CAN BE ABOUT

POLITICS, POWER, LEGACY, TURF,

OR WHO GETS THE CREDIT.

WHO CARES?

THIS IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE OF

NORTH CAROLINA.

>> THAT WAS LAURA LESLIE

REPORTING.

GOVERNOR McCRORY DID LAY OUT

BIG PLANS, INCLUDING WAYS TO

ATTRACT NEW BUSINESSES TO THE

STATE, WHICH INVOLVES

STREAMLINING THE STATE TAX

CODE.

SAID THE GOVERNOR NEEDS TO BE

MORE SPECIFIC ON THE DETAILS

AND ANY CHANGES SHOULD BE FAIR.

>> UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS SO

VAGUE, I REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT

POLICIES HE HAS IN MIND, BUT

THE ONE CERTAINTY IS WE CANNOT

RAISE TAXES ON HARD WORKING

TAXPAYERS IN NORTH CAROLINA TO

FUND CUTS FOR LARGE

CORPORATIONS AND THE WEALTHY.

>> YOU CAN SEE THE GOVERNOR'S

ENTIRE STATE OF THE STATE ON

OUR WEB SITE, AS WELL AS THE

ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC RESPONSE.

IT IS IN OUR VIDEO CENTRAL

SECTION.

LAURA?

>> WELL, I HAVE TO ASK, OF

COURSE, SORT OF WHAT I THOUGHT

OF THE SPEECH, BUT WHAT DID YOU

THINK OF THE SPEECH?

WHAT DID YOU THINK HE DID WELL

OR DIDN'T DO WELL?

BECKY, YOU GO FIRST.

>> I THOUGHT HE DID WELL IN

LAYING OUT HIS PLANS.

I DIDN'T THINK THERE WERE A LOT

OF SURPRISES.

HE TALKED ABOUT THE ECONOMY,

EFFICIENCY, AND EDUCATION,

WHICH WERE BROADLY THE THINGS

HE TALKED ABOUT IN THE

CAMPAIGN.

I WAS SURPRISED HIM TO FOCUS ON

MENTAL HEALTH AND DRUG

ADDICTION AND FIGHTING

ADDICTIONS AND SOME FOCUS ON

THAT.

THE TAX REFORM, HE DID TALK

ABOUT LOWERING THE PERSONAL

INCOME TAX AND THE CORPORATE

TAX.

AS WE GET INTO THE TAX REFORM

DISCUSSION, WE DIDN'T GET

SPECIFICS THERE.

BUT ANOTHER THING I LIKED ABOUT

EDUCATION WAS THE CAREER

TECHNICAL ASPECT OF THAT, THAT

I THINK IS LONG NEEDED TO BE

DONE.

CERTAINLY, A FOCUS OF HIS FIRST

BILL THAT HE SIGNED AS GOVERNOR

HAD TO DO WITH THAT AND THEN

ALSO, ALLOWING THE L.E.A.s, THE

LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS SOME

FLEXIBILITY AS FAR AS SPENDING

WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE THE

LOTTERY PROCEEDS.

>> CHRIS?

>> I THOUGHT YOU SHOWED SOME OF

THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE

STRENGTHS.

HIS ENDING WAS GOOD WHERE HE

TOLD FOLKS TO NOT PUT ON THE

CREDIT.

I THOUGHT HE DESERVES CREDIT

FOR MENTAL HEALTH AND A

REESTABLISHMENT OF THE DRUG

CORP.

WHICH BAFFLINGLY, REPUBLICANS

DREW AGAINST LAST YEAR.

USUALLY, THE STATE OF STATE

SPEECHES DO ONE OF TWO THINGS.

THERE'S A VISION AND WHERE

NORTH CAROLINA SHOULD GO WITH A

LOT OF FLOWERY LANGUAGE AND A

MESMERIZING SPEECH.

THAT'S NOT HIS STYLE.

WE DIDN'T SEE THAT OR DO WHAT

GOVERNOR MARTIN DID IS GO TO

THE 1985 SESSION AND SAY,

HERE'S THREE SPECIFIC THINGS I

WANT TO DO.

I WANT TO ELIMINATE THE

INTANGIBLES TAX, AND GOVERNOR

HUNT SAID I WANT TO DO SMART

START.

HERE'S HOW I WANT TO PAY FOR

THAT.

WE DIDN'T SEE THOSE SPECIFICS

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT SENATOR

STEIN WAS REFERENCING.

WE SAW, AS YOU HAVE ACCURATELY

DESCRIBED, A RERUN OF HIS

CAMPAIGN SPEECH AND I

UNDERSTAND WE'D SEE THE THEMES,

BUT WE EVEN SAW THE SAME JOKES

ABOUT DMV AND COMPLAINING ABOUT

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I SORT OF WAS HOPING WE WOULD

GET BEYOND THAT AND START

SEEING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT

WHAT McCRORY WANTED TO

ACCOMPLISH AND ONE FINAL POINT,

I WAS HOPING THAT HE WOULD, NOT

FROM AN AID IDEOLOGY POINT OF

VIEW, I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE

AN AN AFFIRMATIVE STANCE TO BE

THE LEADER.

>> WHILE NOT MANY SPECIFICS,

THERE'S SPECIFICS COMING OUT OF

THIS LEGISLATURE QUICKLY AND

RAPIDLY SO FAR.

ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES FROM

POLICY WATCH DESCRIBED WHAT WAS

HAPPENING IN THE FIRST FEW

WEEKS AS A WAR ON THE POOR.

IS THAT FAIR FROM YOUR

PERSPECTIVE?

>> I DON'T THINK SO AT ALL.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING

ANOTHER STAND WE HEARD IN THE

STATE OF THE STATE AND

CERTAINLY SEE IT COMING OUT OF

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS AN

EFFICIENCY GETTING GOVERNMENT

FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER, AS THE

REPUBLICANS HAVE TAKEN OVER,

THEY'VE FOUND HUGE

INEFFICIENCIES, FRAUD, WASTE,

MISMANAGEMENT THROUGHOUT STATE

GOVERNMENT.

WE'VE SEEN IT IN VARIOUS

AGENCIES.

I THINK THE FOCUS IS GETTING

NORTH CAROLINA'S FISCAL HOUSE

IN ORDER AND GETTING THE

ECONOMY MOVING AGAIN, AND THE

BEST WAY TO GET PEOPLE BACK TO

WORK AND GET THEM OFF

UNEMPLOYMENT AND OFF DEPENDENCY

ON GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS IS GET

PEOPLE BACK TO WORK AND BECOME

SELF-SUFFICIENT SO THEY'RE NOT

DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT.

>> BUT AS THAT IS HAPPENING, IT

DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A VACUUM AND

NOT ABSTRACT, THERE'S PEOPLE

WITH LESS MONEY ON

UNEMPLOYMENT, THERE'S PEOPLE

THAT ARE GOING TO BE LOSING

EARNED INCOME TAX CREDITS.

THERE'S THINGS THAT EQUATE TO

REAL DOLLARS, NOT JUST BUDGET

LINES IN THE BUDGET.

>> TO THAT LINE, THE

UNEMPLOYMENT INSURANCE, THERE

WAS A REPORT ON WRAL THAT YOU

ALL DID VERY WELL DONE BACK IN

MAY THAT TALKED ABOUT THE

BROKEN UNEMPLOYMENT SYSTEM HERE

IN NORTH CAROLINA.

15 YEARS, NORTH CAROLINA HAS

BEEN THE WORST ADMINISTERED

UNEMPLOYMENT PROGRAM.

THE EARNED INCOME TAX PROGRAM,

30% OF THOSE CLAIMS FOR THOSE

CREDITS ARE FRAUDULENT.

>> THAT MEANS 70% AREN'T.

>> THAT'S TRUE, BUT IF WE'RE

GOING TO BE ABLE TO SPEND THOSE

DOLLARS THE BEST THAT WE CAN

POSSIBLY SPEND, WE'VE GOT TO

MAKE SURE THAT THIS FRAUD AND

THIS MISMANAGEMENT IS UNDER

CONTROL.

>> BEFORE WE GO TO BREAK, ABOUT

A HALF MINUTE LEFT HERE, YOUR

DEFINITION OF WAR ON POOR.

LET'S TALK ABOUT 900,000 PEOPLE

WITH EARNED INCOME TRACKS.

PEOPLE DENIED MEDICAID COVERAGE

THROUGH LOW INCOME INDIVIDUALS

THAT WON'T COST THE STATE A

DIME FOR THREE YEARS.

LET'S TALK ABOUT UNEMPLOYMENT

INSURANCE WHICH WE ARE NOW

GOING TO CUT OFF 170,000 PEOPLE

FROM EMERGENCY BENEFITS THROUGH

NO COST OF THE STATE, THE

FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD PAY

THE WHOLE TAB AND PEOPLE

LOOKING FAR JOB, THE REPUBLICAN

FROM LINCOLN COUNTY WAS ON

UNEMPLOYMENT FOR 15 MONTHS

HIMSELF AS A PERSONAL APPOINTED

LEGISLATURE AND HOW HARD IT IS,

HOW DEMEANING IT IS, THERE JUST

AREN'T JOBS THERE.

YOU ADD UP ALL THESE THINGS,

AND THEY'VE DONE THIS IN TWO OR

THREE WEEKS.

WE HAVEN'T HAD TESTIMONY ABOUT

THE EFFECT ON PEOPLE.

THESE ARE RUSHED THROUGH A

COMMITTEE.

I THINK IT'S BEEN ASTOUNDING.

>> WOULD IT MATTER IF THERE'S

TESTIMONY?

>> I THINK THERE'S ON WHAT

MEDICAID EXPANSION MEANS AND

RICK SCOTT IN FLORIDA AND JOHN

IN OHIO AND JAN IN ARIZONA.

HARD RIGHT ALMOST TEA PARTY

GOVERNORS SAY IT'S BEST TO

EXPAND MEDICAID.

WE NEED MORE DISCUSSION INSTEAD

OF RUNNI?w?o<?=oq

>> THIS $4 MILLION SCRATCHOFF,

GOLD?

>> WE'VE ALL SEEN THESE.

GOVERNOR McCRORY CALLED FOR

THESE ADS TO POSSIBLY GO AWAY.

$2.6BILLION FOR TEACHER PAID

SCHOOL INSTRUCTION, PRE-K

SCHOLARSHIPS, CHANGE HOW THE

MONEY MIGHT BE SPENT.

WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM CULLEN

BROWDER ON THIS JUST A LITTLE

LATER IN THE PROGRAM.

WE'RE HOPING TO GET TO THE FULL

REPORT ON THAT, BUT I WANT TO

GO BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING

ABOUT BEFORE THE BREAK.

YOU HAD A QUESTION YOU WANTED

TO FOLLOW UP ON.

>> YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT

INEFFICIENCIES AND BROKEN

SYSTEMS.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD A

LOT ABOUT AND I DON'T THINK

ANYBODY WOULD ARGUE THERE'S BIG

PROBLEMS IN THE MEDICAID

SYSTEM, THE UNEMPLOYMENT

SYSTEM, AND THE E.I.T.

SYSTEM, BUT THE DISCONNECT

PEOPLE HAVE IS, WHY CAN'T THOSE

PROBLEMS BE FIXED WITHOUT

CUTTING OFF WHAT THEY PROVIDE,

THE SAFETY NET THEY PROVIDE TO

PEOPLE WHO NEED IT?

>> I THINK THE BIG QUESTION IS

IF WE'RE GOING TO ADMINISTER

THESE PROGRAMS AND MAKE SURE

THE PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED

THOSE PROGRAMS RECEIVE THE

ADEQUATE SERVICES THEY NEED AND

THE MORAL RESPONSIBILITY THAT

WE HAVE AS A GOVERNMENT, THAT

IT HAS TO BE DONE RIGHT.

SO TO CONTINUE TO THROW MORE

MONEY INTO A BROKEN SYSTEM JUST

DOESN'T REALLY SENSE, AND

PARTICULARLY TO PEOPLE WHO ARE

MORE FISCALLY CONSERVATIVE.

WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE POOR

PEOPLE AND NOT BEING ABLE TO

RECEIVE THE SERVICES, I THINK

THERE'S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH

ATTENTION PAID TO THE

TAXPAYERS, THE HARD WORKING

FAMILIES OF NORTH CAROLINA WHO

ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THOSE

SYSTEMS.

IT'S A DIFFERENT WAY OF LOOKING

AT THINGS I THINK WE SEE UNDER

THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION AS THE

RESPONSIBILITY TO THOSE

TAXPAYERS WHO WERE PAYING INTO

THOSE PROGRAMS AND THERE'S A

REAL RESPONSIBILITY AS THE

GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE TO

SPEND THAT MONEY WELL.

THERE IS GOING TO BE AN EFFORT,

I THINK THERE WILL BE A

CONTINUED EFFORT TO GET THIS

UNDER CONTROL AND THOSE WHO

REALLY NEED THE SERVICES ARE

GETTING THEM AND THOSE WHO

DON'T ARE NOT.

>> I WOULD LIKE THE PEOPLE THAT

GET THE INCOME TAX, IT DOES

REWARD WORK.

THIS MAKES NO SENSE TO REDUCE

AND THEN PHASE OUT A PROGRAM

THAT IS DESIGNED TO REWARD WORK

PEOPLE WORKING AS HARD AS THEY

CAN AN JUST CAN'T MAKE ENOUGH

MONEY TO MAKE ENDS MEET.

>> IS THERE A WAY TO DO BOTH?

IS THERE A WAY TO SAY, LET'S

MAKE THESE THINGS?

LET'S RECRAFT THIS PART OF

STATE GOVERNMENT, LET'S BE MORE

EFFICIENT AT DOING IT WITHOUT

BEING BLACK AND WHITE, ALL OR

NOTHING.

>> THE PEOPLE AFFECTED

IMMEDIATELY CAN BE TAKE ABOUT

CAREEN CARE OF.

>> IT JUST DECOUPLES US FROM

THE CREDIBLE AND IT DOESN'T

CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT THE

EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT

RECIPIENTS TODAY IN NORTH

CAROLINA.

IT DOESN'T REDUCE THE BENEFIT.

IT JUST DECOUPLES FROM THE

FEDERAL THAT WE HAVE.

THERE WAS A SUNSET IN, I

BELIEVE, JANUARY 2014, NONE OF

THAT HAS CHANGED.

SO MAYBE IT'S A WAY, YOU KNOW,

DAVID, REALLY TO YOUR POINT.

THIS PROGRAM IS NOT GOING AWAY

FOR A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WILL

GIVE THE LEGISLATURES AND

LEGISLATORS AND THE GOVERNOR A

CHANCE TO BRING THAT BACK TO

REASONABLE CONTROL.

>> WE DON'T HAVE A YEAR OF

WAITING TO WORK WITH.

I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY OF

UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

170,000 PEOPLE.

THE U.S. LABOR DEPARTMENT

ESTIMATES WILL LOSE THEIR

BENEFITS FROM JULY 1 UNTIL THE

END OF THE YEAR AND THAT CAN BE

PAID FOR.

I WANT TO GET BACK TO MEDICAID.

I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY

THE ENTIRE SYSTEM OF MEDICAID

IS BROKEN.

NORTH CAROLINA MEDICAID

SPENDING WENT UP LOWER THAN ANY

OTHER RATE IN THE COUNTRY.

WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED THE

COMMUNITY CARE OF NORTH

CAROLINA, THE MODEL FOR THE

COUNTRY ON HOW TO CONTROL

MEDICAID COSTS.

THEY FOUND SEVERAL PROBLEMS,

SOME OF WHICH I THINK NEED TO

FIX AND SOME OF WHICH WERE THE

RESULT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

TELLING GOVERNOR PERDUE'S

ADMINISTRATION AND A

REPUBLICAN, BY THE WAY, THE

SECRETARY, SAYING YOU HAVE TO

FIND THIS MUCH IN SAVINGS AND

DON'T CUT BENEFITS AND HOW MUCH

YOU PAY DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS.

HE TOLD THE LEGISLATOR SEVERAL

TIMES, SIMPLY CAN'T DO THAT AND

THE MEDICAID BUDGET IS

OVERBUDGETTED.

THAT'S NOT THE ONLY PROBLEM.

TO SAY IT'S SO BROKEN TO NOT

GET 500,000 PEOPLE HEALTHCARE,

I'M BAFFLED BY THAT AND I THINK

OTHER REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS

AROUND THE COUNTRY BRINGING

AROUND IS ALSO BAFFLED.

>> I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY

THERE'S SOMETHING YOU AGREE ON

A MOMENT AGO.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE

LOTTERY.

THIS REPORT FROM CULLEN BROWDER

ON WHY THE LOTTERY MAY NOT BE A

GAME CHANGER FOR SCHOOLS.

HERE'S CULLEN.

>> THIS $4 MILLION SCRATCHOFF

GAME.

GOLD?

>> Reporter: GOVERNOR McCRORY

IS NO FAN OF LOTTERY ADS LIKE

THIS.

>> I'M RECOMMENDING WE PURSUE

LEGISLATION TO REALLOCATE A

PORTION OF MONEY AWAY FROM THE

BLOATED AND FRANKLY ANNOYING

ADVERTISING AND LARGE

ADMINISTRATION COST OF THE

LOTTERY COMMISSION.

>> Reporter: ADMINISTRATIVE

COSTS ARE ALREADY HALF OF WHAT

THE LAW ALLOWED.

THE LOTTERY SPENT $14.4 MILLION

TO ADVERTISED GAMES, LESS

CAPITA THAN COMPARABLE STATES.

>> ALMOST ALL IS FALSE AND

DECEPTIVE.

>> Reporter: NOT ONLY LESS ON

ADS, HE WANTS GAMES PORTRAYED

IN A LESS APPEALING MORE

TRUTHFUL WAY.

LOTTERY LEADERS SAY THEY WILL

FOLLOW WHATEVER LAWMAKERS

DECIDE, BUT THEY CONTEND ADS

AND SALES GENERALLY GO HAND IN

HAND.

TELLS US, QUOTE, OUR FEAR WOULD

BE THAT IF WE WERE REQUIRED TO

REDUCE ADS, IT WOULD REDUCE

SEAMS AND MONEY FOR EDUCATION.

BEYOND COMMERCIALS, THE

GOVERNOR ALSO HOPES TO CHANGE

HOW THAT MONEY IS SPENT.

>> THERE'S A POT OF MONEY RIGHT

NOW THAT CAN ONLY BE USED ON

CERTAIN THINGS.

WHY NOT LET THE DISTRICTS USE

THAT MONEY ON TECHNOLOGY AND

VIRTUAL LEARNING?

>> THAT WILL BE A DROP IN THE

BUCKET FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY

WE REALLY NEED.

>> Reporter: STATE

SUPERINTENDENT WANTS IT, BUT

THE LOTTERY AND ITS ADS ARE NO

JACKPOT, GENERATING 4% OF THE

OVERALL PUBLIC SCHOOL BUDGET.

>> THAT WAS CULLEN BROWDER

REPORTING.

DID THE GOVERNOR OVERREACH?

MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING?

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S MUCH

ABOUT NOTHING.

I THINK THEY'RE VERY ANNOYING.

>> SPREAD OUT ACROSS THE STATE

-- IT'S ALMOST MINUSCULE.

>> YOU'RE RIGHT.

BUT THIS STATE OF THE STATE

ADDRESS HAS BEEN HIS COMMENTS

ABOUT THE ADS, BUT IF YOU

LISTEN TO IT, IT'S THE BLOATED

ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WITHIN THE

LOTTERY.

I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE

LOTTERY.

I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO AWAY

WITH IT, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING

TO FUND IT, WE SHOULD USE

GENERAL FUNDS TO FUND THAT,

HAVING SAID THAT, I LIKE HE'S

TALKING ABOUT GETTING RID OF

THE BLOATED ADMINISTRATION.

GOING BACK, I THINK WE NEED TO

DO THAT AT EVERY LEVEL OF STATE

GOVERNMENT AND GIVING THE LOCAL

SCHOOL DISTRICTS FLEXIBILITY IN

HOW THEY SPEND THE MONEY FOR

TECHNOLOGY NEEDS AS A WAY TO

HAVE HIM INDICATED, JUNE

ATKINSON, I BELIEVE, AGREES

WITH HIM.

>> PROBABLY DIDN'T EXPECT ME TO

QUOTE SARAH PALIN, BUT TO PUT

LIPSTICK ON THIS LOTTERY PIG

FOR ME IS IRRELEVANT.

LITERALLY, WE'RE BASING HOW

MUCH MONEY WE HAVE TO SPEND ON

EDUCATION AND PRE-K ON THE

STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA

CONVINCING PEOPLE TO THROW OUR

MONEY AWAY AND THAT'S OUR

POLICY.

I THOUGHT THIS IS ONE OF THE

WORST THINGS NORTH CAROLINA HAS

DONE.

THAT BEING SAID, IF WE'RE GOING

TO HAVE THIS RIDICULOUS

LOTTERY, WE SHOULD NOT TRYING

TO CONVINCE PEOPLE TO PLAY AND

GO FOR ONE-TIME EXPENSES, NOT

ONGOING.

WHERE THERE'S FUND, SCHOOL

CONSTRUCTION OR SOMETHING ELSE.

WE JUST DON'T NEED TO BE BASING

ONGOING REVENUE ON THE BASIS OF

CONVINCING PEOPLE TO PLAY.

I THINK IT'S GOOD NEWS THAT

PEOPLE SAVE THEIR MONEY.

WE SHOULD RAISE MONEY FOR

SCHOOLS.

WE COULD ARGUE HOW MUCH THAT

IS, BUT WE NEED TO DO IT

HONESTLY AND FAIRLY, NOT THIS.

>> IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT THE

GOVERNOR MENTIONED THIS.

WE MAY SEE A DIFFERENT WAY OF

LOOKING AT THE LOTTERY THAN

WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.

>> THANK YOU.

GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US.

CHRIS, GOOD TO HAVE YOU HERE

WITH US.

I HOPE THE TWO OF YOU COME BACK

AS THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION

WINDS DOWN.

MAYBE AFTER THIS IS OVER AND

LET'S DO A REPORT CARD OF WHAT

HAPPENS, WHAT DIDN'T HAPPEN,

WHO BENEFITED, WHO DID NOT.

WHEN WE

>> WELCOME BACK.

JOINING US IS INVESTIGATIVE

REPORTER MARK BINKER.

BEFORE WE WENT TO BREAK, YOU

SAID THERE'S SOMETHING

PARTICULAR YOU WANT TO TALK

ABOUT.

>> MARK AND I DO THIS WRAP

EVERY NIGHT WHERE WE KIND OF

WRAP, WELL, WRAP UP WHAT'S

GOING ON IN THE DAY AND I FEEL

LIKE ALL WEEK, WE'VE BEEN

TALKING ABOUT THE TOPLESS BAN

IN ASHVILLE, THE POSSUM DROP,

MEDICAL MARIJUANA --

>> METHAMPHETAMINES.

IT'S BEEN A BAD WEEK FOR DRUGS

AND POSSUMS.

>> THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF

FEEDBACK THIS YEAR.

PEOPLE GO, WHAT ARE THEY DOING

DOWN THERE?

>> PEOPLE THINK IT'S THE

CRAZIES.

>> AND TO BE FAIR, THOSE ARE

SIDE SHOW ISSUES.

THEY'RE INTERESTING TO TALK

ABOUT.

THEY GET A LOT OF ATTENTION,

BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THIS WEEK'S

SERIOUS TAX POLICIES GOING

THROUGH.

A MEDICAID BILL, THIS IS THE

DANGER OF THE LEGISLATURE.

YOU HAVE THESE EYE POPPING

ISSUES THAT GET ATTENTION AND

PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN.

>> LIKE THE BUDGET, THAT'S A

SLOW GRIND.

AND SO THIS IS AN IDEAL TIME

FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE THESE

ISSUES IN THE COMMITTEE, BUT

UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S BEEN A

TRAIN OF THEM THAT MAKE PEOPLE

THINK, WELL, WHERE ARE THE

JOBS?

>> SOMETHING ELSE WE DIDN'T

HAVE TIME TO GET TO IN THE

PREVIOUS TWO SEGMENTS WHICH I

RECOMMEND, BUT PAYDAY LENDING

CAME BACK AND WE THOUGHT, WE,

MOST PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE,

THOUGHT THAT HAD BEEN DEALT

WITH, SET ASIDE AND THERE SEEMS

TO BE A LITTLE CRACK SOMEWHERE

THAT IS HAPPENING.

SOMEONE'S TRYING TO SLIP

THROUGH.

>> A BILL'S BEEN FILED BY JERRY

TILLMAN, A REPUBLICAN OUT OF

RANDOLPH COUNTY.

WHAT WE'RE TOLD ABOUT THE BILL

IS THERE IS SOME TALK ABOUT

MOVING THIS WEEK THAT APPEARS

NOT TO BE THE CASE AT THIS

POINT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME

CONVERSATION WITH THE

REPUBLICANS ABOUT WHETHER THEY

WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD ON

WHETHER THEY WANT TO ALLOW THAT

COMMITTEE HEARING TO MOVE

FORWARD.

THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME

SENTIMENT FOR IT AND ALSO SOME

SENTIMENT WHERE REPUBLICANS IN

BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE SAY,

WE'VE TAKEN OUR LIPS OVER THIS

ISSUE, DO WE WANT TO GO AND DO

THAT AGAIN?

>> I THINK IT'S ILLUSTRIOUS TO

SEE THE LOBBYISTS.

THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY TO BE

MADE IN PAYDAY LENDING.

LIKE, 86% OF PEOPLE WHO TAKE

THEM OUT FIND THEMSELVES UNABLE

TO PAY THEM BACK IN THE AMOUNT

OF TIME THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO.

OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO

SPEND MONEY TO GET IT

RELEGALLIZED HERE.

>> PAYDAY LENDING IS NOT THE

ONLY, WE'LL SEE CAR TITLE LOANS

AND SIMILAR THINGS COME UP AS

THE WEEK GOES ON.

>> ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT HERE.

AT THE END OF THE WEEK, HERE WE

ARE.

ANYTIME THERE'S A MAJORITY IN

POWER, THE OTHER SIDE IS

PUSHING BACK.

A MEMO, A REPORT LEAKED THIS

WEEK THAT MADE ITS WAY TO YOU

FROM THE DEMOCRATS, FROM THE

LIBERALS.

>> FROM PROGRESSIVE GROUPS AND

YOU KNOW, IT WAS SORT OF A

STRATEGY MEMO MEANT TO

ILLUSTRATE, HERE'S HOW WE CAN

ATTACK THE REPUBLICAN

LEADERSHIP IN THE HOUSE AND

SENATE LEADERSHIP.

I TALKED TO A REPUBLICAN

STRATEGIST WHO SAID, THE ONLY

THING IS THEY LET IT OUT IN THE

OPEN BUT DEMOCRATS PROBABLY

FEEL THIS IS EXACTLY THE

STRATEGY EMPLOYED BY

REPUBLICANS FOUR TO FIVE YEARS

AGO.

WE SHOULDN'T BE SURPRISED TO

SEE IT NOW.

>> THERE'S NOTHING NEW AS FAR

AS THE DESIRE OF THE STRATEGY.

MAYBE SOME STRATEGIC MOVES.

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